Curse

faraaz · Jul 17, 2008, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

Ehhh about them Monks being out of SY! range, try incorporating this range into your fights eg DON'T OVEREXTEND.

SY! on your squishies ---> more healz coming YOUR way ---> easier road to Survivor.

Still, DSing is kinda brave. If it was my Survivor Warrior, I'd go Spearchucker (helps with SY! too)

Seems like a good idea in theory, but most of the time when I try to keep them in range, aggro often spills over, resulting in the squishies getting targeted by melee. Then again, if I'm spamming SY!, the squishies arent exactly squishy anymore, I suppose. Hmm..needs moar testing!

As for DS'ing..lol yea. I suppose its a bit foolhardy, considering its VERY easy to get things FUBAR'd and end up losing Survivor for a silly reason, but to be honest, that's half the fun for me, you know? Being able to play the game normally and still get Survivor, instead of grinding boxing all day.

When I stopped playing last night, my warrior had just reached Naphui Quarter (character is only 10 hours old! Go me!

) so I will be ascending today as soon as I get home from work, after which I will proceed to pwn PvE six ways from Sunday!

Plus then I can start capping all the easy elites around Yohlon Haven/SS Sanctuary as well as Kaineng City, so that should get me close to R2 Survivor soon.

Btw...still waiting on those obscenely high DPS Warrior builds! Some guy in ToA laughed at me when I said my Assassin gets 90-100 DPS and said his Warrior can get 160 DPS...is this true? What kind of builds would do that?!

Crom The Pale · Jul 17, 2008, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Well yes you can get very high dps, but mostly with builds that only work in the testing island...

Basically its built upon [i am the strongest] at max Norn and [asuran scan] at max Asuran. While it can work in PvE, the casting time of Asuran scan and the ease of hex removal make it a little unpractical.

Bobby2 · Jul 17, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

For max DPS, I'm surprised you left out Conjure X

faraaz · Jul 17, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Lol okay...you made your point. Just DPS isnt everything then.

Oh and in an update...I got bored just capping skills all day, so I went and did FoW NM with just heroes (me + 3 & a guildie + 3). Unfortunately, the guildie had to leave halfway, so I just stuck it out only with the heroes. I managed to clear 8 quests (9 really, I'd killed all but 1 shard wolf

) when I ended up overaggroing and almost got killed while killing those damned hydras in the Burning Forest...of course I hot footed it out of there before I hit <100 hp mark (I'm running total 625 hp)...very annoying.

At any rate, the point of all that rambling is this:

Save Yourselves! has proven itself to be the most godliest, overbroken skill in the game! After practicing it a bit, I've really gotten the hang of keeping it up 100%, even when FGJ is down (KD + Steelfang slash rules

). And my GOD what a difference it makes! :O I overaggro'd like a noob so many times...at one point I was fighting 6 Abyssals, 4 Shadow Beasts, around 3 of those Etherbreakers and I think perhaps 5 Shadow Berserkers...and NONE of my heroes got hit for more than miniscule dmg! One of my monks was running a divert hexes+lifebond+balthazar's spirit build (funny how well that works in FoW) so hexes were taken care of and...I'm just blown away by how good this skill is.

Also, when trying to cap Crippling Slash, there's a big mob of like 10 Ntouka before you get to Mahto Sharptooth...I tried sneaking past, and ended up aggroing both mobs...and guess what? I didnt even notice! Just found the boss, kept spamming DS + SY! and I flagged heroes in my radar range. It was so ridiculously easy...wow.

Okay, enough drooling...my next question based on all these experiences:

Why the hell would I ever want to run ANY other build ever in PvE?

Crom The Pale · Jul 17, 2008, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Sometimes you just want a challenge. For example some of the most fun I've had in AB has resulted in a score of 500-496.

Simply walking through the game with 0 effort can get boring fast.

Infectious · Jul 17, 2008, 09:21 PM // 21:21

3 Necro heros
3 searing flames
2 ursans
shit blows up no matter the aggro

faraaz · Jul 18, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

Ah, but you can't have 2 Ursans when you are H/H'ing

Yes though, I get the point..its PvE..everything is easy, especially in NM. Also, I imagine its veeery easy to get spoiled using SY! ... I did Tahnnakai Temple earlier today, and it was depressingly easy. I kind of cheated by taking a bonder with me into the mish, so I wasnt quite as vulnerable as before...just breezed through everything.

Having said that...I'm wondering if I should ask my other, Godmode unrelated questions here or just make a separate thread for them?? I'll start off here and if any of the mods gimme the evil eye, I'll split off into a different thread.

1) What is a good axe build? I've been experimenting with Eviscerate but IMO D-Slash spam does more damage. Also, deep wound is good I guess, but apart from the very BIG plus of deep wound, I find raw DPS on axes to be lacking >.< Then again, I'm pretty sure I'm going about it completely the wrong way. Any kind souls want to post a build or two, just to get me going in the right direction?

2) What is the general consensus on Battle Rage, Magehunter Smash & Whirlwind Attack as Warrior Skills (in a build which is designed to incorporate these) of course. How does this compare with a D-Slasher?

3) If I wanted to go pure DPS and NOT SY! spammer, what is a good Sword build for high damage?? I'm assuming it involves Dragon Slash, but what else?

4) What are the must have elites for a warrior? A general list of things to cap would be handy!

Thank you.

Crom The Pale · Jul 18, 2008, 02:18 AM // 02:18

Well your best bet for Axe builds would be to use SEARCH, you should find quite a few great builds here as well as a few arguments about what works and what doesnt.

Here is one I like, its not the best but it is lots of fun and its in the spam/DPS build type you asked for.

[for great justice][Whirling Axe][Dismember][Executioner's Strike][flail][conjure lightning][i am the strongest][lions comfort]

As for battle rage, its bad...no good can come of using it. IAS >>> Speed bost. Whirlwind Attack is good, Magehunter Smash is kinda niche(there are better cheeper KD hammer attacks but if you know your facing lots of enchanted foes(AEGIS) then its ok).

One of the great things with the Dslasher build is its very flexible.
[for great justice][flail][dragon slash] everything else is optional.

Must have Elites...[Dragon Slash][crippling slash][Triple chop][eviscerate][earth shaker][backbreaker]

JDRyder · Jul 18, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

dont forget [devastating hammer]

faraaz · Jul 18, 2008, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Hmm... I know that I could search for builds, but to be honest, I dont really need a full build, I can work out something good. When I said template, I meant that for instance, with Dragon Slash, you want FGJ & Flail so you have adrenaline maintained and the IAS to keep up your DPS. Similarly, what would be the template for axes? Etc...

As for the elites you mentioned, I have all except Whirling Axe, Earth Shaker, Backbreaker & Devastating Hammer...I'll be capping them soon I guess.

A Leprechaun · Jul 18, 2008, 12:00 PM // 12:00

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Originally Posted by faraaz

Hmm... I know that I could search for builds, but to be honest, I dont really need a full build, I can work out something good. When I said template, I meant that for instance, with Dragon Slash, you want FGJ & Flail so you have adrenaline maintained and the IAS to keep up your DPS. Similarly, what would be the template for axes? Etc...

As for the elites you mentioned, I have all except Whirling Axe, Earth Shaker, Backbreaker & Devastating Hammer...I'll be capping them soon I guess.

Have you read the sticky?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10216727

If not then reading it should help you create your own build, lots of helpful stuff in there.

~A Leprechaun~

Crom The Pale · Jul 18, 2008, 12:05 PM // 12:05

There isn't a "Axe Template" like there is for Dslash because Dslash is a build centered around 1 skill.

Most all of the Axe skills, and all of the Axe Elite skills can be used in different builds.

Basic template for any warrior would be:

3-4 Attack skills
IAS
3-4 Utillity skills.

faraaz · Jul 18, 2008, 12:31 PM // 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

There isn't a "Axe Template" like there is for Dslash because Dslash is a build centered around 1 skill.

Most all of the Axe skills, and all of the Axe Elite skills can be used in different builds.

Basic template for any warrior would be:

3-4 Attack skills
IAS
3-4 Utillity skills.

Boo...I was afraid of that...

Okay, one more issue I have with a warrior, especially since I've been mostly fighting Am Fah Assassins all over the place. I HATE Stance blockers! And I hate using Wild Blow to get rid of it even more because it is killing my adrenaline!

Are there any alternatives at all for a warrior who wants to remove stances and still keep his adrenaline? This is pissing me off to no end, especially because my Dragon Slash then becomes useless...even my Eviscerate, for that matter!

MisterB · Jul 18, 2008, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by faraaz

Boo...I was afraid of that...

Okay, one more issue I have with a warrior, especially since I've been mostly fighting Am Fah Assassins all over the place. I HATE Stance blockers! And I hate using Wild Blow to get rid of it even more because it is killing my adrenaline!

Are there any alternatives at all for a warrior who wants to remove stances and still keep his adrenaline? This is pissing me off to no end, especially because my Dragon Slash then becomes useless...even my Eviscerate, for that matter!

Switching targets is usually the best option.

faraaz · Jul 18, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Switching targets is usually the best option.

Ah, but the trouble then is that the others die in the blink of an eye...and I'm left with the blockers...in the meantime, I've made my SS necro start carrying Rigor Mortis, and I'm micro'ing the spell onto my targets. Takes care of having to use Wild Blow (yuck!) but again, there's quite a delay with the Hero AI..they seem to cast it after a good while..which is non optimum, to say the least.

Edit: Forgot to add, in an effort to diversify a bit and work out a decent Sword build which didnt use D-Slash, I have come up with the following build. All comments & feedback is appreciated very much!

[build;OQASEZKTHWAGnima7g8V/VGW]

Some relevant points:
* I took Lion's Comfort over FGJ, as the bar on average doesnt have a very high adrenal requirement for any single skill (except perhaps Steelfang Slash) and now that I have Rigor Mortis at my beck and call, blockers aren't THAT much of a problem as far as adrenal gain is concerned.

* I used Crip Slash as the cripple effect helps greatly with the use of Flail. Now the enemies cant run away, which was extremely frustrating for me earlier while using Flail. Much much happier with this IAS now.

* Whirlwind Attack was just a filler really, as I didn't know what else would be useful, and it seemed like a decent enough attack. I am particularly keen to know what good substitutes I can use to greatly enhance the build.

Thoughts? Comments?

Snow Bunny · Jul 18, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

The two best axe elites are probably Triple Chop or Eviscerate. Triple Chop for AoE, Eviscerate for sheer damage+deep wound.

If you want to try something fun, try Earthshaker+Crude Swing+Whirlwind Attack

Bobby2 · Jul 18, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

[knee cutter] over [lion's comfort] imo

no one mentions [save yourselves]?

faraaz · Jul 18, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Bobby2

[knee cutter] over [lion's comfort] imo

no one mentions [save yourselves]?

The reason I chose Lion's Comfort was for the heal too...its cheaper than Knee Cutter as well, and I don't really need energy

As for SY!...well, I wanted to move away from that SY! spamming thing for this build...as far as survivor is concerned, I have my bonder monk hero to make sure I'm invincible.

Crom The Pale · Jul 19, 2008, 02:07 AM // 02:07

As far as the stance using foes...

Once you know what foes will use a stance you can learn to use wild blow without losing the Dslash DPS.

Attack target X, activate your IAS and wait for him to use a stance then its..

[wild blow][for great justice][enraging charge] - your now at max adren and his stance will not recharge in time to save him.

The only draw back on this is A) you might waste your IAS depending on what you chose and B) if more than 1 stance blocking foe is in the mob you need to focus on other foes till your skills are recharged.

faraaz · Jul 19, 2008, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Yep..I tried it out, and I end up waiting 15 seconds max between foes, because I'm waiting on the recharge of FGJ. If I use Rigor Mortis in the meanwhile, seems to work okay. And 15 seconds isnt that bad of a downtime in a PuG I guess...they take ages to kill stuff anyway.

For instance, they struggle getting expert on Sunjiang District so many times in my experience. Me and my guildie did it in 10:46 last night, not to mention 05:38 for Boreas Seabed. And that was on the survivor, mind you.